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roo-roo

Joined: 04 Mar 2007 Posts: 926 Location: SW Pennsylvania
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:52 pm Post subject: new to the scene? |
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A while back, I wrote this for one of Richard's 4,283 sites. After adding a couple things, I wanted to post it here. I thought it'd be useful for anyone who's thinking about getting involved in their local scene, or anyone who's just starting to explore bdsm.
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One way of finding your local scene is to google "bdsm" along with the name of the nearest big city. If that doesn't work, try "leather" along with the name of the city. Or "munch" with the city name. This should hopefully return something, depending on where in the world you are; I wouldn't count on finding anything if you live in Tehran or Saudi Arabia. You could even ask in forums if anyone knows anything about a scene in your city. Keep in mind that small towns generally don't have any bdsm events; you'll have to travel to a larger city.
Don't go in saying things like "where are all the parties at?" If people like you, they'll invite you in due time. They have to get to know you first. It's okay to ask about public parties though. It's generally considered rude to talk about private parties, unless everyone within earshot has been invited.
My biggest obstacle was making progress against my shyness (can’t say I’ve overcome it though.) Just walking into the first munch was a nerve-wracking experience……….but well worth it. (on the way to my first munch, I was screaming the Oscar Meyer Weiner song in my car, to try to calm my nerves.) Before going to the munch though, I looked at the munch's website and e-mailed with some basic questions, like what people normally wore to these things. The person I ended up talking with was very friendly and understanding, and even asked to meet for coffee before I went to a munch, so that I’d at least know one person there.
Speaking of what to wear- munches are usually pretty informal, and most people don't wear much (if any) fetish wear. Jeans and a nice top are fine. It's not a formal occasion. Basic black with blue jeans is a safe bet. If you're in doubt, ask someone first. Be clean.
Once I started getting into the conversations, people were naturally curious about me, and asked questions. It was uncomfortable, but expected. This is one place where being yourself is really important. If I’d taken the clichéd approach of “I’m submissive, so I’ll do whatever you’re into; I have no interests of my own”, well, that’s just plain boring. And very fake. We’ve all got interests and fantasies, and it’s important to be open about them if we expect to live them. None of us are mind readers, whether dominant or submissive. Just because someone is a dominant woman, that doesn’t mean we’re compatible, so it's important to be honest about our interests and expectations.
I’m honest about not being into protocol, ritual, structure, etc. These things are pretty popular among some dominants…..but I knew that if I pretended to be into them, not only would I feel like a hypocrite, but I wouldn’t be happy in the relationship either. Online, it’s common to see weak, obsequious, sniveling little twits who think that agreeing with everything impresses dommes. Invariably, there are a handful of online dommes who will go for this type. Being that way in the face-to-face world won’t get you far, though. Doormats attract abusers. Coming across as too eager to please often reeks of desperation. If you have a life, if you’re confident and strong, these are qualities that many dommes find interesting. We are all equals until we agree to some form of power exchange, and I treat everyone as such.
One thing I continually keep in my head is that I’m deserving of respect. Many subs forget this. They think it’s their “place” to be treated badly or to be unfulfilled, since it’s supposedly all about the domme’s desires. Bullshit. An unhappy sub won’t stay around long; our desires are equally important. I make it clear that I feel that way early on when there’s someone I’m interested in. If she agrees that equality and d/s don’t have to be mutually exclusive, that’s a good sign. This can even show up in little things. For example, if a domme repeatedly cuts me off in conversation, why should I tolerate that? It’s rude, and I deserve better.
Seeing dommes as actual people (and expecting the same from them) is a must. We’ve all got faults and weaknesses. In a loving relationship, I expect to be accepted as I am. Of course, I give the same. If someone loves you, they accept you. This is important to keep in mind. If a domme tried to turn me into something I’m not, then that’s a way of saying “you’re not good enough for me, and I want you to be someone else.”
I also realized that finding someone shouldn’t be my only reason for getting into the scene. I’ve made lots of friends there, and continue to have lots of great times with them………not to mention casual play with friends. If I’d ignored (or been cold to) everyone who didn’t seem “useful” to me, I wouldn't have many friends.
About the same time that I got into the local scene, I started looking into forums online. What I found shocked me. There were so many people, domme and sub alike, who had totally unrealistic, overly idealistic expectations. All “real subs” are expected to be into TPE, do all the housework, and do all sorts of things they don’t want to do. That might work online, but being miserable in a flesh-and-blood relationship just isn’t a way I want to live. A lot of people, mainly online, take a “more is better” approach to submission. Isn’t personal satisfaction more important than playing subbier-than-thou? Submission should cause joy, not agony. We’ve all got our own particular style of submission; it took a lot of introspection and experimentation to find my way. It'll probably take the same for you to find yours.
Here’s the analogy I often use: When I give a woman a single rose, I expect some sort of gratitude……..not some big showy display, just a genuine show of appreciation. If she said “That’s it?? Where are the other eleven?”, then she’s not someone I want in my life. This is how I view submission. If she doesn't appreciate me (or vice versa) it won't last. I don’t have to sacrifice my whole life in order to be submissive. We each give what we give, regardless of chosen position, and it’s important that our gifts (and our selves) be appreciated.
So overall, I try to keep all these things in mind. Keeping that attitude affects my actions, and everything else sort of falls into place. It can be hard to have the confidence to say “this is who I am, and if you don’t like it, then move on.” But if I didn’t do that, I’d be going from one lousy relationship to another. If someone doesn’t accept what I give, too bad.
There is an element of luck as well; even if someone does everything perfectly, there’s no guarantee they’ll meet somebody compatible. But if you don't try, you may miss out. |
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MissBonnie

Joined: 09 Mar 2007 Posts: 549 Location: Melbourne Australia
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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great advise  _________________ "Collar'N'Cuffs.com" A free Femdom community site..Resources,stories,Ecards, forum, chatroom, Gallery & personal profiles. |
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roo-roo

Joined: 04 Mar 2007 Posts: 926 Location: SW Pennsylvania
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| Thank you! It drifts around a bit, but it's the kind of thing I wish I'd read when I was new to the scene. |
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becca
Joined: 30 Mar 2007 Posts: 25 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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i am glad to see you say (or imply) that your submission is a gift that you give to your Domme, roo-roo, because i got really dumped on over that recently at a BDSM discussion group. It was a discussion of TPE and the practical things that make it difficult to practice, and at some point a man said, confidently, "Well at least we can all agree that the stupid idea that submission is a gift is finally dead." The room all nodded sagely. i, the newer person in the group, dared to disagree. And was roundly denounced, with clear indications that others thought i was a "bad" submissive, because good submissives want only to submit at all times and thus it is just part of their nature (as if we can't help it or something). i tried to explain that sometimes things my Master asks of me are very difficult for me and go against the grain, so when i obey anyways, i do feel like i am offering Him something valuable. They seemed to feel that if i get any feeling of accomplishment from doing so, then i have really done it for me, not for Him. But that would mean that if it pleased me to see my children's happiness when i gave them a gift, that i had done it for me and not for them, which is just silly, IMNSHO. _________________ -becca
If you're not learning and growing, you might as well be dead. |
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RichardEvansLee Site Admin

Joined: 20 Feb 2007 Posts: 1186 Location: Durham NC USA
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 5:40 am Post subject: |
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| becca wrote: | | i tried to explain that sometimes things my Master asks of me are very difficult for me and go against the grain, so when i obey anyways, i do feel like i am offering Him something valuable. They seemed to feel that if i get any feeling of accomplishment from doing so, then i have really done it for me, not for Him. |
That is so preposterous and wrongheaded it takes my breath away. It makes a slave sound more like a machine, denying the person not merely human but mammalian emotions: even a dog obviously enjoys being pleasing. _________________ Female Led Relationships - Femdom Romance - Femdom Dating |
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roo-roo

Joined: 04 Mar 2007 Posts: 926 Location: SW Pennsylvania
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:40 am Post subject: |
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Wow, becca, that's harsh. They seem to think that unless you're miserable or doing things you don't want to do, then you're not submissive. That's a load of crap. If the sub isn't getting something from it, why would they stay in the relationship?
And what about all those selfish people who give to charities, or donate their time by volunteering? They're not helping people, they're only doing it for themselves because it makes them feel good. Bastards. [/sarcasm] |
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Mistress160 Site Admin

Joined: 04 Mar 2007 Posts: 1175 Location: Oz (whipping my way up the yellow brick road)
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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| roo roo wrote: | | A while back, I wrote this for one of Richard's 4,283 sites |
Isn't it 4,876 now?!
I first read this article of yours on Miss Bonnie's BDSM resource list - so glad you reposted it here, its a very good one. _________________ Mistress160
"Ms160's [blog] offers education, sensuality, testimonials from subs + a wide array of resources suitable for everyone interested in BDSM (from connoisseur to novice)" DarkScribe ABH |
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roo-roo

Joined: 04 Mar 2007 Posts: 926 Location: SW Pennsylvania
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Well thank you! I appreciate you saying so. |
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switch

Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 904 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | They seemed to feel that if i get any feeling of accomplishment from doing so, then i have really done it for me, not for Him. But that would mean that if it pleased me to see my children's happiness when i gave them a gift, that i had done it for me and not for them, which is just silly, IMNSHO. |
You're right of course. If there is any value in the relationship, all parts of BD/SM are mutual gifts like hugs. If what is asked is hard, and you are pleased to give it for that reason, that's a gift. If he takes that time to require hard things of you, that also excite you, that's a gift too. It may be that all you get out of somethings is your partner's satisfaction, but if that's so you should at least enjoy that satisfaction. If either of you acts without thinking about the other's excitement and/or pleasure you have a problem. That's true of all good relationships whether part of BD/SM or not.
The idea that you give nothing by submiting makes me a little angry. Certainly I'd send a dom who felt that way packing. On the other hand dominating takes practice and can be real work. I consider that time and attention a gift too.
I would't worry too much about the group of people who disagreed with you because of the way in which they did it. Tight but relatively isolated groups tend to produce "group think." Such groups tend too self reinforce a single set of ideas while ridiculing others. This is sometimes refered to as "firehouse" syndrom. It's hard to keep small groups that don't discuss their area of expertise with the outside world from behaving in this way. Your group, and much of the BD/SM world suffers from this phenomenon.
The funny thing is that is if you visited the same group ten years from now, they would all be just as adament, and just as united, but their answer would be quite different--probably just as wrong, but different. Maybe they would tell you that if you didn't consider everything you did for a dom to be gift, that you weren't a true sub. Who knows?
However, grand pronocements on the "one true way" remind of other forms of group think: facism, socialist splinter groups, extreme feminists, the Bush administration, certain modern artists, fundamentalist Christians, terrorist bombers, flat earthers. What amazes me is that you bravery is voicing a different opinion. Keep up the good work and trust your own instincts. _________________ "Is Sex dirty? Only if it's done right." Woody Allen |
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