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Psychology of Feminization?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:43 pm    Post subject: Psychology of Feminization? Reply with quote

Feminization completely confused me when I first encountered it.

How could being made femme honor a woman? It seemed to imply that softness and color were marks of inferiority.

But I’ve come to understand that many people engaged in F/m enjoy it without the negative feelings that occurred to me.

And I’ve come to understand that it may be for some guys their only chance to explore:

Gender dysphoria: in any other context accepting their feminine side might be intolerable.

Latent bisexuality: while it is nearly impossible for me to relate to this there is no doubt that many men feel almost intolerable shame in departing from perceived norms of sexual orientation.

Some guys just love the soft feel of lingerie.

If being made a “sissy” fulfills you I hope you will share your experiences with us.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think also there is the forced feminization component - of not being attracted to feminization in the usual sense but getting off on the sense of being ordered to dress up by one's Mistress, or submit to the public humiliation of buying a bra or whatever. I know with solipsist there was very little interest in wearing lingerie (mine or anyone else's, lol) but the moment I came home with half a dozen pairs of frilly cheap panties and said "look dear these are for you" he nearly fainted from loss of blood to every other part of his body than his dick... Twisted Evil Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me, it's another form of (erotic) humiliation. It's odd though- I consider myself to be in touch with my "feminine" side (a distinction which I think is a load of crap anyway) but I still find this humiliating in spite of that.

I think this may have something to do with the social pressure........we're taught from a young age to be manly-men, lumberjack types who bench-press cars, smoke cigars, and ooze testosterone every second of the day. Some feel that the appeal of bdsm in general (or things like watersports) is that it's "forbidden" or generally seen as somehow different by mainstream society; this could also be part of the appeal of forced fem. It's sort of like how many female subs enjoy the humiliation of being called "slut", "whore", etc.- they're taught to not be those things, so it goes against what is ingrained in the collective mentality.

I also agree with the idea that being made to do it, or to go further than you'd like to go ("the forced component") has an appeal to it as well. Being pushed in certain areas can be amazing.

A while back, Amethyst (a woman with whom I'm in a very casual/secondary relationship) had me put on panties and a bra. Later, she said, "your face was red and you held your head lower........but your cock was rock hard the whole time!" That pretty well sums up the experience for me; many things in bdsm are like that, with the dual nature, love/hate thing going on.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

roo-roo wrote:
For me, it's another form of (erotic) humiliation. It's odd though- I consider myself to be in touch with my "feminine" side (a distinction which I think is a load of crap anyway) but I still find this humiliating in spite of that.

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I also agree with the idea that being made to do it, or to go further than you'd like to go ("the forced component") has an appeal to it as well. Being pushed in certain areas can be amazing.


There certainly are a ton of reasons why this is such a hot topic. For me, it's a combination of many things: "forced" fantasies, erotic humiliation, and rebelling against taboos of the social norm are just a few. However, it's also about being made better, more beautiful, and molded into something out of love by my dominant.

Feminization, then, is partly self-expression but also partly being made into my dominant's image. The submissive in me finds it incredibly erotic to be molded in whatever way my Mistress wants. When I am her little girl, even though I am a boy, that is an act of her power and my submission because I am then something she has made me into for her own pleasure. She turns me into her pretty, perfect little girl. And I like feeling perfect.

You can read more if you'd like, as well since I wrote a bit more about my personal experience on my blog.
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

my analogy:
to me it's like math, I do not understand all of math,( and never will understand it all).

I "get" feeling comfortable in wonderfull feeling texture's.
I don't "get" wanting to be seen by the general public looking way silly .
I do "get" being a drop dead hottie t.v., and flaunting one's attribute's in killer attire.
I do understand and accept wearing what ever the top wants you to ,to please her.
I do not understand the expectatioon of acceptance by the general public and co-workers when one make's the decesion to cross dress.
and I accept that many other's understand stuff that I can not comprehend.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that going against sociatal pressure and being forced is a large part of it. But I think there's another piece as well:

We women have taken on almost all the old privliges of being male: we're getting the same education, the same jobs (mostly), we can dress as men, and we no longer depend on men for money (thank God). And we compete ust fine, but we will never catch you in physically. We're simply aren't as physically strong. Women's dress clothes emphasise the relative fragileness of women. In putting on the clothes and makeup you put on the psychological vulnerability too. Add highheels you become vulerable physically as well as psychologically.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

parttimeswitch wrote:
Add highheels you become vulerable physically as well as psychologically


Hmmm. Obviously no one has walked over parttimeswitch in high heels Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shocked I can just picture Pete trying to navigate his way across me in highheeled sandles. They would go just great with his kakis. Laughing Laughing Laughing

Seriously ,I can see the power of heels on a domme or heeled boots on a dom, but women spikes still aren't the most stable footware imaginable.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is one fetish I am just too logical to understand. I have nothing against it, "Some of my best friends are cross-dressers, but I wouldn't want my sister to marry one." Smile (I think her husband would like it even less).

As Mark Twain once said, "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence in society."

When you look at it totally objectively (the absolute wrong way to look at a fetish), clothing is clothing. Heck, pants were not invented until the middle ages, and most people wore mostly unisex clothing until then. Nobility made a distinction in dress, and it was usually the men who wore the makeup and lace.

If there is anything in this it is the envy (albeit in me not a big envy) that women have more freedom in dress than do men. They can choose to dress like a man if they want. "Your mother wears army boots!" is no longer an insult since the reply could just as well be, "Yes, and she's a major, so you better salute her!"

Men don't have that option. They have to wear male clothing or they are ridiculed.

Girls can play any sport that boys play, and they can also attend ballet class. Pity the poor boy if word got out that he was in a dance class. Even today, it's just not acceptable by his peers. "Children can be so kind," is not an expression that is widely heard.

So instead of penis envy, maybe this is clothing envy. Although to tell the truth, when I look at what is foisted off on women as fashion, there isn't much to be envious about especially at those prices.

I am absolutely convinced that high heeled shoes were invented by the Marquis deSade. The timing is about right. If they were invented sooner we would have evidence of them being used as torture devices during The Inquisition.

Like a lot of other activities, the "sting" of doing something that is taboo is mitigated if someone "forces" you to do it.

Of course, there is also this. I have been "in drag" on several occasions in my life for skits (I'll do anything for a laugh), costume parties and such. I would be the world's hands-down winner in the ugliest woman look-alike contest.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:11 am    Post subject: Male Finery Reply with quote

Mule wrote:

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When you look at it totally objectively (the absolute wrong way to look at a fetish), clothing is clothing. Heck, pants were not invented until the middle ages, and most people wore mostly unisex clothing until then. Nobility made a distinction in dress, and it was usually the men who wore the makeup and lace.

If there is anything in this it is the envy (albeit in me not a big envy) that women have more freedom in dress than do men. They can choose to dress like a man if they want. "Your mother wears army boots!" is no longer an insult since the reply could just as well be, "Yes, and she's a major, so you better salute her!"

Men don't have that option. They have to wear male clothing or they are ridiculed.

Girls can play any sport that boys play, and they can also attend ballet class. Pity the poor boy if word got out that he was in a dance class. Even today, it's just not acceptable by his peers. "Children can be so kind," is not an expression that is widely heard.

So instead of penis envy, maybe this is clothing envy. Although to tell the truth, when I look at what is foisted off on women as fashion, there isn't much to be envious about especially at those prices.


Right you are. Up until sometime in the early 1800s men got to wear all the flashy stuff, had the most style choices, and spent the most money on clothes (at least in the western world). Even the lowly before mast jack sewed ribbons into his seams. What puzzles me is why you all gave it up.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 10:24 am    Post subject: Cross Dressing Reply with quote

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What puzzles me is why you all gave it up.

We decided on it in committee and put the results in our monthly circular just after the article on "where to set the glass ceiling." Shocked

I got hit with the desire to cross-dress at puberty. Most of my life I've spent wishing it would just go away and leave me alone. As I get older, though, I've tried with mixed success to understand it better and accept it as part of myself, even turn it into an asset. It's an uphill battle, though, given the strong and clear messages that society sends.

I understand the "forced" aspect as being "permission" to do something society loathes (fears?) more than almost anything short of serial murder. I've never needed or wanted to be "forced." I'd much, much rather just be accepted. But that will never happen during my lifetime. Even about 1/3 of women looking for a kinky mate -- arguably more open-minded than the average population about such things -- specifically spell out NO CROSS DRESSERS! And an overwhelming majority of cross dressers are so "over the top," selfish, and annoying about it that I don't want anything to do with them either.

So no, Mule, there's nothing at all rational about it. The only rational thing a cross-dresser can do is to try to keep society's loathing from becoming self loathing.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 10:53 am    Post subject: Straight Male Transvestites Reply with quote

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I'd much, much rather just be accepted. But that will never happen during my lifetime.

Most crossdressers are straight men. An awful lot of them married. And I was surprised by how many of them have wives that accept this. Not the majority, no: but more than I'd have expected.

While there are groups scattered around the country they normally do not want to be associated in anyway with gay transvestites and tend to stick to themselves. Hence, their relative invisibility.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 1:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Cross Dressing Reply with quote

quietlisten wrote:
switch wrote:
What puzzles me is why you all gave it up.

We decided on it in committee and put the results in our monthly circular just after the article on "where to set the glass ceiling." Shocked

I got hit with the desire to cross-dress at puberty. Most of my life I've spent wishing it would just go away and leave me alone. As I get older, though, I've tried with mixed success to understand it better and accept it as part of myself, even turn it into an asset. It's an uphill battle, though, given the strong and clear messages that society sends.

I understand the "forced" aspect as being "permission" to do something society loathes (fears?) more than almost anything short of serial murder. I've never needed or wanted to be "forced." I'd much, much rather just be accepted. But that will never happen during my lifetime. Even about 1/3 of women looking for a kinky mate -- arguably more open-minded than the average population about such things -- specifically spell out NO CROSS DRESSERS! And an overwhelming majority of cross dressers are so "over the top," selfish, and annoying about it that I don't want anything to do with them either.


Why install a glass ceiling when you had a perfectly good rafts there already?

Seriously, I suppose the reason I associate cross-dressing with forcing is because its use as a humiliation tool is my only personal experence of it. As a subset of humiliation fetishes it's a whole different beastie than what you're describing.

But, it doesn't surprise me to much hear Richard say:

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Most crossdressers are straight men. An awful lot of them married. And I was surprised by how many of them have wives that accept this. Not the majority, no: but more than I'd have expected.


As quirks a husband might have, cross-dressing strikes me as pretty benign, especially if there isn't an exhibitionist component to it. Although I suppose the question might turn on whether you want her to admire you in your cute new dress. Admiration is hard to fake.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 1:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Cross Dressing Reply with quote

switch wrote:
Although I suppose the question might turn on whether you want her to admire you in your cute new dress. Admiration is hard to fake.

No, that would be as bad as asking her if an outfit made me look fat. I'd get right to the point and ask if we could be mad at each other for a few days. Laughing

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 3:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Cross Dressing Reply with quote

quietlisten wrote:
switch wrote:
Although I suppose the question might turn on whether you want her to admire you in your cute new dress. Admiration is hard to fake.

No, that would be as bad as asking her if an outfit made me look fat. I'd get right to the point and ask if we could be mad at each other for a few days. Laughing

Quietlisten


I don't care what my hubby or any other man wants to wear. I'm just completely mind-boggled as to why anyone would want to put on pointy-toes, high heels, skirts, and let's not even get into stockings or pantyhose. The stuff is just plain uncomfortable, impractical, itchy, painful. I keep a pair of sneakers in each of our cars so any time we go to a wedding or other fancy occasion, I won't be handicapped if there's an emergency. And my dress shoes are flat sandals. I don't even like silk. The only fabric that feels good to me is cotton. I also don't wear makeup unless it's Halloween. So if my man wanted to dress up - fine with me, but don't expect me to admire it!
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