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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 5:29 pm    Post subject: Dominant Women Have Emotions Too Reply with quote

Some tops confess freely the issues they that they cope with. Others feel that allowing doubts into the open will lessen them in the eyes of others. But whether it is escaping the clutches of social norms or perhaps having the primary burden of keeping things: tops are people too.

Have any of you faced any of this:

Gaining Self-Acceptance

Regardless of the power and control they may eventually come to enjoy with their submissive life mates and play partners some dominants pass through a phase when they struggle with their needs and cravings.

Was it a struggle to face your dominance, your sadism?

Are you still struggling with this kind of emotional turmoil?

Fear of Losing Balance


As a top you take pride in enacting your role wisely. And take great care of one who has surrendered so much to you.

Do you ever fear it is a questionable addiction? Perhaps one day you will push too far or expect more than is wise?

Addiction to Adoration

You enjoy the loving adoration of your submissive person, slave – bottom. You cherish and care for the one who has freely given you devotion. The humble look in his or her eye is one of the supreme delights of your life.

Have you ever had the niggling worry or nagging fear that their worship will become too important to your self-esteem?

(7/20 - I posted an somewhat different, much longer version of this elsewhere: Tops: Self-Acceptance, Self-Control, BDSM Addiction.)
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had several fears. The affection one hit home for me, because I'm a very affectionate person. I worry sometimes that my affection towards a sub would make me seem submissive. Is it so wrong to want to make the sub happy also?

I've had fears of continuing to push even after I've been told no, only to find out later that he was really serious, and he was not going to do it. In a situation like that I feel like I'd cower away and wonder why I wasn't picking up on it, and feel dumb when I finally stop and say "Well why the hell not?!" and try to figure out what exactly is making him so defiant.

More recently I've taken on a paranoia that what he's doing or saying is not genuine, but part of an act because that's how he tries to make himself feel more submissive (and me more dominant) when he isn't really feeling it. That stems completely from the realization that my ex was doing that (though it wasn't confirmed by him).
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was very worried right before he came out to visit me. I felt like we didn't know each other well enough. I felt like I didn't have a good grasp on why he was coming to visit, exactly. I even worried about him getting on the plane for a few days.

Mostly, the visit was just to see how we got along in person. I wanted to make sure there was a connection once we both got away from the computer. I wanted to make sure that I could be as Dominant when I had him right in front of me as I can when I'm using a messenger or don't have to see his facial expressions for everything I say.

I did let him know my doubts. I regretted letting him know, but it turned out to be just fine. In my telling him all of these things, he told me what he was afraid of in turn.

Everything turned out just fine. Better than I anticipated actually. Now we're planning for another visit with more D/s to it rather than just the mild playing around.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this post is very thought provoking, and I think may end up being a blog post for me, with a brief synopsis once I get a chance to mull it over.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some woman doimnate to escape thier emotions or the negative voice in their head (generated by their parents and others)
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:47 am    Post subject: Re: Dominant Women Have Emotions Too Reply with quote

RichardEvansLee wrote:
Some tops confess freely the issues they that they cope with. Others feel that allowing doubts into the open will lessen them in the eyes of others.


I think being open about emotional and practical issues I face as a top/dominant is important. It has to be done without the feel of whining, but my partner needs to know when I am feeling dom-fatigue or overwhelmed with things. It happens with me about every couple of months, give or take. I'm still going through residuals of my divorce from time to time. And life just has stresses.

RichardEvansLee wrote:

Have any of you faced any of this:

Gaining Self-Acceptance

Regardless of the power and control they may eventually come to enjoy with their submissive life mates and play partners some dominants pass through a phase when they struggle with their needs and cravings.

Was it a struggle to face your dominance, your sadism?

Are you still struggling with this kind of emotional turmoil?


My biggest struggle was after the breakup of my first marriage. Part of me felt that my dominance had something to do with his withdrawal from me, which otherwise was never explained. I decided to try being vanilla for a while -- I even thought that doing so was "growing up." That BDSM was childish play and couldn't really mean what I thought it could mean. Although dominant behavior emerged within months, when I partnered with another lover, I tried to take the attitude that the D/s vibes were just a spice, sprinkled over what was going to be a "normal" relationship. I had just enough BDSM to keep me satisfied for many years, although much milder than anything I'd had to that point. My desires waxed and waned.

I have never really struggled emotionally with the fact that sadism is a part of my sexual makeup. I don't feel like my sadism is "that bad," meaning I must be OK because I don't really want to maim or harm anyone, cause wounds or damage body parts. I don't even like blood! If I did, I might be much more conflicted. My partners have always enjoyed the judicious application of physical and psychological pain. So that has helped -- no one has ever given me any negative feedback about my sadism, such as it is. (Thank you guys!)

The domination part, taking control, making decisions, giving orders (however nicely) also sits well with me. My mother, grandmother, and other childhood role models implanted the idea that it was OK, even desirable, for women to be this way to their partners. In my heart I know that I (and they) have our partners' best interests in mind, and that makes it easy to feel good about taking control.

RichardEvansLee wrote:

Fear of Losing Balance


As a top you take pride in enacting your role wisely. And take great care of one who has surrendered so much to you.

Do you ever fear it is a questionable addiction? Perhaps one day you will push too far or expect more than is wise?


If it were an addiction, I would have recognized it as such by now. My relationships have been very balanced, and I have done well being this way all my life (20+ years active). I have no worries that it will ever make me do things against my better judgment or contrary to my values.

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Addiction to Adoration

You enjoy the loving adoration of your submissive person, slave – bottom. You cherish and care for the one who has freely given you devotion. The humble look in his or her eye is one of the supreme delights of your life.

Have you ever had the niggling worry or nagging fear that their worship will become too important to your self-esteem?


My partner's view of me does, of course, feed my self esteem. But my self worth and esteem are not based on his adoration. Probably better to say they are based on my own self-adoration, which when he shares it, I feel all is right in the universe. When my confidence flags, I need him to remind me of his adoration. When my self-adoration is at its height, I expect him to respond to that with appropriate adoration in return. Feelings of worship are going to come and go. And that goes both ways (yes, at times I have worshipful feelings for him, too). As long as they come back each time they drift, we are doing fine.

Tops, dominants, can crash. I imagine the burn can be life-changing if the crash is handled insensitively. True of anyone, of course, but more so maybe for one from whom much is expected. I think all you men can identify with that.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kyle Roberts wrote:
Some woman doimnate to escape thier emotions or the negative voice in their head (generated by their parents and others)


Or maybe to improve their emotions? To realign their mindset and get back on course with regards to personal growth?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kyle Roberts wrote:
Some woman doimnate to escape thier emotions or the negative voice in their head (generated by their parents and others)


hmm.

This rings so completely false to me. I cannot speak for the masses of Dommes, but for myself and those I have come to know I'll say, I think you're way off on this on Kyle.

For one domination is not about escaping, if anything it's about being so completely present, not just in regards to your partner, but also within your own mind. It's about having examined a side of yourself (one would hope thoroughly) and then choosing to expose that in what is often a sadistic and physical manifestation. Clearly those are just two of many possibilities.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lavender scorpion wrote:
Kyle Roberts wrote:
Some woman doimnate to escape thier emotions or the negative voice in their head (generated by their parents and others)


hmm.

This rings so completely false to me. I cannot speak for the masses of Dommes, but for myself and those I have come to know I'll say, I think you're way off on this on Kyle.

For one domination is not about escaping, if anything it's about being so completely present, not just in regards to your partner, but also within your own mind. It's about having examined a side of yourself (one would hope thoroughly) and then choosing to expose that in what is often a sadistic and physical manifestation. Clearly those are just two of many possibilities.


I am not just Switch but a switch. Lavender scorpian describes what it takes for me to dominate very acurately --you have to own your sadistic side while being completely present for your partner. Allowing yourself to admit a desire to hurt others is no way to escape the negative complaints of parents.

I do think that the kind of absolute "presentness" created by either topping or bottoming is a kind of escape from the day to day round; but I don't think it's an escape in the sense of beating out your frustrations. Plain old hard manual labor and/or breaking things to stuff them in the trash does this for me. Domination doesn't.

Others may feel differently. I don't get a feeling of atonement from bottoming, although I know others do.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Lavender Scorpion and Switch. The idea of Domming while angry or unfocused is utterly repellent to me. As Lavender Scorpion says, Domming is "not about escaping ... it's about being completely present".
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:03 pm    Post subject: Dominant Women Have Emotions Too Reply with quote

quesera wrote:
I have never really struggled emotionally with the fact that sadism is a part of my sexual makeup.

For many women accepting sadistic impulses does seem to be a distinct second stage.

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My partner's view of me does, of course, feed my self esteem. But my self worth and esteem are not based on his adoration. Probably better to say they are based on my own self-adoration, which when he shares it, I feel all is right in the universe.

Self-adoration is a lovely image.

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Tops, dominants, can crash. I imagine the burn can be life-changing if the crash is handled insensitively.

Yes. That does happen and it was what mainly prompted the original post.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with lavender scorpion. When I feel most dominating with my partner, I also feel most confident and emotionally healthy. I am expressing and validating an important, positive part of myself, entering into and seeking deep emotions, not escaping them. I hear no negative voices.

When I am in a poorer emotional state, discouraged, sad, angry, frustrated, or self-doubting, that is when I am least likely to have dominating feelings or impulses. At those times I rather need understanding and encouragement from my partner, not a passive submission. I need him to take the reins, provide support and a listening ear, and remind me that along with my confidence, my dominant feelings are sure to return.

I don't see a dominant or submissive nature as a tool or a means to an end. They are better thought of as personality traits, unique features in oneself to be embraced, explored, and hopefully, expressed within a loving relationship.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:15 pm    Post subject: When Dominants Don't Feel Well Reply with quote

quesera wrote:
When I am in a poorer emotional state, discouraged, sad, angry, frustrated, or self-doubting, that is when I am least likely to have dominating feelings or impulses. At those times I rather need understanding and encouragement from my partner, not a passive submission. I need him to take the reins, provide support and a listening ear, and remind me that along with my confidence, my dominant feelings are sure to return.

There's probably nothing more that defines the intersection of love and kink.

Seeing a dominant as a a person and not a torture machine is one of the things that distinguishes someone who has been in a relationship or is ready from one from people who just soak up online erotica.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:35 pm    Post subject: Re: When Dominants Don't Feel Well Reply with quote

{quote="quesera"]When I am in a poorer emotional state, discouraged, sad, angry, frustrated, or self-doubting, that is when I am least likely to have dominating feelings or impulses.[/quote]

YES! and that is when I'm likely to hear negative voices.. which speak absolutely nothing of BDSM or D/s

quesera wrote:
At those times I rather need understanding and encouragement from my partner, not a passive submission. I need him to take the reins, provide support and a listening ear, and remind me that along with my confidence, my dominant feelings are sure to return.
RichardEvansLee wrote:
Seeing a dominant as a a person and not a torture machine is one of the things that distinguishes someone who has been in a relationship or is ready from one from people who just soak up online erotica.


This really needs to be voiced. You both state it perfectly.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’ve written some about my first struggles with BDSM, and my sadism here.

I’ve also put up a much longer post inspired by this discussion topic here.

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Was it a struggle to face your dominance, your sadism?


Yes, it was a huge struggle, one that nearly consumed me. The sadistic need, that I referred to at the time (and sometimes still do) as the beast, was a huge out of control thing, shredding its way out from the inside with teeth and claw. The longer I tried to ignore it, the worse it was when it finally did fight its way out. It was physically, emotionally, and psychically painful.

I didn’t struggle with the dominance as much. I didn’t have the strength to fight a battle on two fronts.

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Are you still struggling with this kind of emotional turmoil?


No, not at all. I fully embrace it, and revel in it. My life now has a natural rhythm and flow and is full of joy despite the stresses of everyday life and family turmoil I’ve had in the past year or so. My dominance and sadism are interwoven throughout the very fabric of my being, and bring peace, not strife.

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Do you ever fear it is a questionable addiction? Perhaps one day you will push too far or expect more than is wise?


I do fear losing my balance, not in the sense of an addiction, or in that I will move into a state of a constant need for satiation of both my sensual and sadistic tendencies regardless of responsibility. Instead, I fear that the iron discipline I employ when playing with someone that can’t physically or emotionally handle my intensity will slip. I think that for a sadist such as myself, that particular fear is a very real one, with potential disastrous consequences. If I allow myself the luxury of slipping those controls, I could very seriously damage a playmate, and would find it sexually arousing and fulfilling to do so, instead of the “normal” reaction of guilt or remorse.

One of the reasons that my darker fantasies are so very dark to me isn’t that they involve brutality and degradation on a scale that is beyond healthy play… it is because I know that I could make those fantasies a reality and not suffer the pangs of conscience or morality that others would. That is a line I am not willing to cross.

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Have you ever had the niggling worry or nagging fear that their worship will become too important to your self-esteem?


I stopped playing and interacting with people involved in BDSM for a 3 year period because of this. I realized that I was seeking the adoration of my submissives in an attempt to create a semblance of self-esteem. It wasn’t working for me, and if anything, was making my struggle to accept my sadism even harder. I didn’t return to play until I had done some intensive work on some deep-seated issues and resolved a bunch of internal conflict.

At this point, I enjoy having my boys adore me, but take it at face value. It’s a very sweet feeling, and helps me to feel closer emotionally to them, but it is a want and something to revel in, not a need that defines who I am.
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